The Thom Hartmann Program - Aug 30th 2018

It seems it's all racism, all the time w/the GOP...Neo-Nazi robocall hits Iowa on Molly Tibbett’s murder: “KILL THEM ALL. ” Richard Wolff drops by about the National Debt. Is it a disaster or an OK thing? Also - Trump & The National Enquirer - Is the Economy Here To Serve Us Or Are We Here to Serve the economy? Has America Become a "Grifter" Country? Check out our short podcast today https://www.thomhartmann.com/hartmann-report-podcast

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Coalage3 6 weeks 5 days ago
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Thank God...it appears that a suspicious package was addressed to mad Maxine after all. Can't have the Unabomber discriminating against democratic black women.

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deepspace 6 weeks 5 days ago
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Stop GOP Voter Suppression—Or Else!
Most American voters generally don’t like billionaires and corporations running politics, so the GOP is simply not letting them vote.

by Thom Hartmann:

Average American voters generally don’t like billionaires and corporations running politics, so the billionaires and their corporations have organized major efforts to keep those people from voting. Numbers are sketchy, because Republican Secretaries of State are unwilling to release purge numbers and details without being sued to do so.

Fortunately for America, investigative reporter Greg Palast is executing such lawsuits right now, and the purge lists he’s acquired in the past two weeks include over 90,000 people in largely Democratic parts of Nevada, 769,436 voters purged in Colorado, 340,134 in Georgia, 550,000 in Illinois, a large but as-yet-uncounted list from Nebraska, and 469,000 just purged in Indiana. More are coming in virtually daily, as Palast continues his lawsuits, along with the NAACP and Rainbow Push.

True the Vote, the latest Astroturf group pushing for voter purges, is partly funded by the Judicial Crisis Network (JCN), the group that spent millions to run nationwide TV ads for Judge Brett Kavanaugh disparaging Dr. Christine Blasey Ford’s testimony as a “sham.”

JCN, in turn, is funded by the Wellspring Committee that, according to investigative reporter Ken Vogel, was started by billionaires Charles and David Koch. (Their father, Fred Koch, was a founder and major funder of the John Birch Society, which ran “Impeach [Supreme Court Chief Justice] Earl Warren” billboards and ads across America in the 1950s and 1960s decrying the Supreme Court’s 1954 desegregation order in Brown v. Board, and funded publications and efforts characterizing the voter drives of Martin Luther King Jr. as a communist plot.)

Without these major voter purges, and without the disenfranchisement of young people, old people, and poor people by voter ID laws, it’s a virtual certainty that America would have had President Al Gore and President Hillary Clinton, and the Democratic Party would have a 7-3 or larger Democratic majority on the U.S. Supreme Court.

Republicans, instead of helping working people, love to lecture Americans that only their elected officials and Federal and Supreme Court justices are actually channeling the “original intent” of the founders and framers of the Constitution. (“Originalism” is a scam run uniquely by Republican justices, for example.)

Like their rigged elections and their ads saying that they want to defend Social Security and protect us against insurance companies viz preexisting conditions, it’s a lie.

https://www.commondreams.org/views/2018/10/22/stop-gop-voter-suppression-or-else

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HotCoffee 6 weeks 5 days ago
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Investigative reporter, Paul Sperry said it perfectly:

6 bombs sent to Democrats. 0 go off. All crudely made pipe bombs and conspicuously obvious explosives, and all easily screened and discovered. Stunt seems designed for maximum political/media optics, not maximum damage

— Paul Sperry (@paulsperry_) October 24, 2018

The pipe bombs might as well have had "ACME" stamped on them. Totally telegraphed by packaging (excessive postage, taping), amateur packing of gun powder (bad end caps, etc) pic.twitter.com/rYfOq9UtKP

— Paul Sperry (@paulsperry_) October 24, 2018

https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2018/10/huge-clue-several-bombs-sent-ou...

Also....Flashback: Suspected Ricin Letters Mailed to President Trump, Other Senior Govt Officials Three Weeks Ago

https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2018/10/flashback-suspected-ricin-letters-mailed-to-president-trump-other-senior-govt-officials-three-weeks-ago/

I don't listen to Alex but this is interesting.

Deep state rolls out staged “bomb” attack on CNN headquarters, just as Mike Adams and Alex Jones publicly predicted on multiple video broadcasts

https://www.naturalnews.com/2018-10-24-deep-state-rolls-out-staged-bomb-attack-on-cnn-headquarters.html#

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deepspace 6 weeks 5 days ago
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Stop GOP Voter Suppression—Or Else!
Most American voters generally don’t like billionaires and corporations running politics, so the GOP is simply not letting them vote.

by Thom Hartmann:

Although about half of the founders were slaveholders, practicing their own form of voter suppression, they nonetheless held egalitarian values for the future of this country and worried obsessively about a takeover by the very rich. It’s hard to imagine that they’d ever sanction interpreting the First Amendment as a license for billionaires and corporations to buy our political system (as the Supreme Court first did in 1976 in the Buckley case, and then supercharged in 2010 with Citizens United).

In the summer of 1785, James Madison was essentially running the Constitutional Convention in Philadelphia, and he gave a speech (you can read in his Notes on the Convention) about the importance of not allowing the new country they were forming to become an oligarchy, run of, by, and for the rich. He noted that there are “two cardinal objects of government, the rights of persons and the rights of property.”

He added that if only the rights of property were written into the Constitution, the rich would ravage the few assets of the poor. “Give all power to property,” he said, “and the indigent will be oppressed.”

In fact, Madison noted, all the former republics that they had studied in his five years of preparation for writing our Constitution had ended up corrupted by exactly that: the political power of concentrated money.

“In all the governments which were considered as beacons to republican patriots and lawgivers,” he said, “the rights of persons were subjected to those of property. The poor were sacrificed to the rich.”

Thus, wanting to establish a country where the rich didn't end up running it as their own private kingdom or oligarchy, he proposed that only the House of Representatives—the only branch elected directly by the people, and every two years at that—should have the power to raise taxes or spend federal funds.

“The time to guard against this danger is at the first forming of the Constitution,” he said in his speech. “Liberty, not less than justice, pleads for the policy here recommended.

“If all power be suffered to slide into hands [of the rich]” he warned, the American citizenry will “become the dupes and instruments of ambition, or their poverty and dependence will render them the mercenary instruments of wealth. In either case liberty will be subverted: in the first, by a despotism growing out of anarchy; in the second, by an oligarchy founded on corruption.”

And, indeed, the delegates assembled agreed. Only the House of Representatives, to this day, can raise taxes or spend money.

In a 1787 letter to Edward Carrington, Jefferson noted, “It seems to be the law of our general nature, in spite of individual exceptions; and experience declares that man is the only animal which devours his own kind; for I can apply no milder term to the governments of Europe, and to the general prey of the rich on the poor.”

Fighting those instincts of human nature, he argued, was at the core of the American experiment. (Like George Washington and many of his peers, Jefferson died broke. America’s first millionaire came along in 1791—a shipping magnate—and none of the founders or framers were wealthy enough to leave an estate that lasted even to a second generation.)

https://www.commondreams.org/views/2018/10/22/stop-gop-voter-suppression-or-else

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HotCoffee 6 weeks 5 days ago
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President Trump Invites Hundreds of Black Conservative Leaders at TPUSA Leadership Summit to White House for Friday Speech

Twitter Suspends Influential Black Female Trump Supporter’s Account After She Announces She Is Attending TPUSA Event in Washington DC by Jim Hoft October 24, 2018

“Melissa” is a black conservative and Trump supporter with a huge following on Twitter.
(Melissa asked us not to use her full name because she has small children at home.)

Earlier this week Melissa announced on Twitter that she was attending the Black Conservative Summit in Washington DC this week sponsored by Turning Point USA.

Within an hour of posting her announcement on Twitter Melissa was suspended by Twitter.

This was the third account she created since coming out as a black female Trump supporter.

Melissa wrote The Gateway Pundit earlier today.

My Name is Melissa and I am a black conservative pro-Trump influencer on Twitter.

I am writing you because Twitter suspended my account (which has 118K followers) shortly after I announced I was attending to the Young Black Conservatives Summit in Washington DC and going to the White House to meet the President.

Within less than an hour of my tweeting about Visiting the White House to see President Trump, twitter locked me out of my account. I had to jump through a few hoops to get it back up including giving my personal phone number.

Then last night, four days later my account was suspended with NO STATED REASON. I did not even receive an email notification of suspension or why. Till today i have no idea why twitter suspended my account.

I sent an appeal to have the account yesterday reinstated but they have not responded.

I was also fundraising for the trip to the White House to which my followers were donating. I believe Twitter is trying to sabotage my fundraising efforts.

Since I have a large following, I am pretty certain they targeted me because they don’t want me documenting hundreds of young black people visiting and supporting President Trump because it destroys their narrative that Trump is racist and “literally Hitler”.

Please may you write a story on this as the latest example of twitter silencing conservatives. This is the 3rd account I have had to create. Twitter locked me out of 2 other accounts with thousands of followers.

They have also been unfollowing thousands of my followers to the point that i have not seen a net gain in followers for more than 6 months. Many of my followers tell me they have had to re-follow me.

It is just truly amazing that we now live in a country where I am silenced and shut down for my views.

Please help expose Twitter’s censorship of black conservatives.

Melissa is raising money to help pay for her trip to Washington DC.

You can donate to her campaign here.

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deepspace 6 weeks 5 days ago
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Stop GOP Voter Suppression—Or Else!
Most American voters generally don’t like billionaires and corporations running politics, so the GOP is simply not letting them vote.

by Thom Hartmann:

In an 1816 letter to Samuel Kercheval, Jefferson explained, “I am not among those who fear the people. They, and not the rich, are our dependance (sic) for continued freedom.”

He added that if we ended up with an oligarchic government that is run, directly or indirectly, by the rich, America’s working people “must come to labor sixteen hours in the twenty-four;… and the sixteenth being insufficient to afford us bread, we must live, as they [poor Europeans] now do, on oatmeal and potatoes; have no time to think, no means of calling the mismanagers to account; but be glad to obtain subsistence by hiring ourselves to rivet their chains on the necks of our fellow sufferers.”

One wonders how the employees of the giant corporations that throw so much money at the Republican Party would compare that metaphor with their own current existence, since the GOP has successfully fought any meaningful reform of union rights, universal health care, or the minimum wage since Reagan.

And they’re using voting suppression to maintain a situation that’s so hostile to workers that wages have actually fallen for the bottom half of American workers in the 38 years since Reagan’s election in 1980.

Thomas Paine, in his 1795 Dissertation on First Principles of Government, noted that, “The right of voting for representatives is the primary right by which other rights are protected. To take away this right is to reduce a man to slavery, for slavery consists in being subject to the will of another, and he that has not a vote in the election of representatives is in this case.”

If we fail to do something large, substantial and dramatic about the scourge of voter suppression, we must all begin learning how to rivet chains.

Those are our options.

https://www.commondreams.org/views/2018/10/22/stop-gop-voter-suppression-or-else

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HotCoffee 6 weeks 5 days ago
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Wednesday, October 24, 2018

Sunday in Tijuana: 8 dead, including one calcinated and another decapitated, add 143 murdered in October Chivis Martinez Borderland Beat from Zeta Tijuana-thank you Neal
Sunday......So far in October, 143 people have been deprived of life in Tijuana. Eight people dead in the last hours swell the statistic. Around 10:20 am on Sunday, October 21, a man identified as Edgar del Angel Loera, 41 years old, was shot to death when he was on Arroyo Verde Avenue and Arroyo Seco in the Hacienda Las Delicias section. . At the scene of the crime, a bullet and two 9mm casings were located. Two hours later in the same Hacienda Las Delicias subdivision, but now in Arroyo Mirador Privada Ulmarias street, two unidentified men between 25 and 30 years old were shot dead. Three caliber .230 shells and one bullet, were seized by experts.
In the General Hospital of Tijuana, he died as a result of gunshot wounds to the thorax and abdomen, Alfredo Cruz Estrada, 44 years old. The victim had entered the hospital on October 4. In Urbi Villa del Prado, second section, the decapitated body of a male was found. The victim was found in a brown armchair, wrapped in a blue canvas, multiple fragments of adhesive tape and two plastic bags. Óscar Hernández Aguilar, 40, was deprived of his life by gunfire when he was on Paraíso Azteca Avenue in Colonia Valle Bonito. In the armed attack another person was injured in the femur. In the scene a panel-type vehicle and a bullet were located. At dawn on Monday, October 22, the burned body of a person was found in Rancho Tijuana street in the Villas de Baja California subdivision. Finally in the colony Valle Redondo 100 meters from a galvanizing company was located the lifeless body of a male.Borderland Beat Reporter Chivis Posted at 8:56 AM http://www.borderlandbeat.com/2018/10/sunday-in-tijuana-8-dead-including-one.html

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deepspace 6 weeks 5 days ago
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(Jefferson died broke)

“Our Founders were not the 1%.”

by Thom Hartmann:

Often you hear the canard that economic freedom consists in allowing the very wealthy to dominate the economy. This is usually justified by pointing to some abstract notion such as “capitalism” or the “intent of the founders.” In fact, this is not what the nation’s founders intended, and it does not reflect the reality of their lives.

The founders, while landowners, lived in a time when land was cheap, and were far from wealthy. Thomas Jefferson and George Washington both died bankrupt. George Washington reluctantly assumed the role of first president because he needed the money.

What follows are excerpts of a broadcast by Thom Hartman in which he explains it:

“There’s a myth floating around right now about our Founding Fathers – and the men who wrote the Constitution – the Framers. And that myth is that America was created by rich white men who wrote the Constitution to protect their own interests and the interests of other wealthy, rich white men like themselves. It’s a myth that’s conveniently used…by people who argue for more corporate power in government and more advantages for the wealthy by saying that’s simply a continuation of the intent of the Founders and Framers of the Constitution.

And it’s also a myth used on the Left – especially during times of economic crisis when it seems like the rich are getting richer and the poor are getting poorer…You know, it’s enticing to think that way. Especially at a time when nearly half of all the Members of Congress are millionaires – and laws are being passed that exclusively benefit millionaires and billionaires at the expense of the rest of us.

…But it’s not true – it’s the myth of the super-wealthy Founding Fathers.

Of course there were very, very rich people in America at the time of the Revolution – but they were not the ones taking part in the Constitutional Convention. In fact – all of the truly rich people here in the 1760s fled this new nation during the Revolution – they went up to Canada or back to Britain. There wasn't a millionaire – in today’s dollars – living in the United States until the 1790’s – a generation after the Revolution.

In terms of lifestyle, assets, and disposable income – the Founders were upper-middle class at best…Toward the end of his life – Washington didn't have enough money to buy the slaves his wife inherited so that he could set them free, which he genuinely wanted to do. And Jefferson died in bankruptcy.

These guys weren't bankers – they weren't rich investors – they weren't land speculators. They might have owned a lot of land – but that was about it, and land didn't have that much value back then.

Historian Forrest McDonald did an exhaustive analysis of each state that ratified the Constitution – and looked at the make-up of the delegates and what they did for a living.

As McDonald found in, for example, Delaware: 77% of the delegates were farmers. And we’re not talking rich farmers. In fact – 2/3s of those farmers had meager incomes between 75 cents and 5 dollars a week. Only 23% of the delegates were professionals – people like lawyers, doctors, and judges. Not one delegate was a banker – not one was a manufacturer – not one was a rich merchant…not one. The same was true in New Jersey – where 64% of the delegates were farmers.

The point is – the people who hammered out, and then ratified the Constitution weren't thinking about money…They were voting for democracy instead of oligarchy. They were voting to create and maintain a middle class instead of creating a nation of, by and for the rich.

As Thomas Jefferson said:

"Those seeking profits, were they given total freedom, would not be the ones to trust to keep government pure and our rights secure. Indeed, it has always been those seeking wealth who were the source of corruption in government."

People, for some reason, think the Constitution said that only rich, white, male landowners could vote – but none of those things are anywhere in the Constitution. While our new country was far from perfect, in many of the states in our early years women voted, blacks voted, and even people who lived in the poorhouses that George Washington appropriated federal money to pay for, voted. Although over time most of the states individually took away many of those rights…none of that was – or is – in the Constitution.

Today – our lawmakers could learn a lot from our Founding Fathers.”

So could our business leaders and every individual who has been persuaded to believe in the myth that our purpose as a nation and as an economy is to make the rich richer and deprive the rest of us of economic opportunity.

The fact is today’s right wing and civil libertarians stand in opposition to everything that the founders in fact stood for. The nation’s founders, including Thomas Jefferson, understood, and explicitly expressed, that the unnbridled influence of the very wealthy undermine both democracy and the economic viability of the middle class.

https://stevensonfinancialmarketing.wordpress.com/2012/12/28/words-of-economic-fact-by-thom-hartmann/

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HotCoffee 6 weeks 5 days ago
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DianeR,

I'm not reading the DS stuff.....If DS wants to be a fart catcher and spread the smell it's up to him/her/whomever! I doubt anyone else is either.

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deepspace 6 weeks 5 days ago
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Alexander Hamilton Was Obsessed With the Threat a Presidency Like Trump’s Poses for America
This isn't the first time our democracy has faced the founder’s nightmare—but it is the most dangerous.
Independent Media Institute, September 19, 2018
By Thom Hartmann:

Presidential economic adviser Larry Kudlow suggested to the Economic Club of New York that, after the elections, Republicans will target “spending” on Social Security, Medicare, and Medicaid with “reforms” (cuts) to help pay for the massive deficits created by Trump’s $1.5 trillion tax cut for billionaires.

Conservatives have controlled our government for three definable periods in recent history—the Gilded Age of the last three decades of the 1800s (progressives followed from 1901 to 1920), the Roaring 20s (progressives followed from 1933 to 1980), and the Reagan Era that started in 1981 and continues to this day.

Each conservative era has led to terrible suffering among working people, each ended in a wipeout financial disaster, and this one will probably be no different. Republicans have already radically cut long-term unemployment insurance, killed “welfare as we know it” (with the help of Bill Clinton), and cut the budgets of Social Security and Medicare to the point where it’s hard to get anybody on the phone. They’ve deregulated much of the fossil fuel industry, sold off public lands to mining and drilling interests, and slashed away at the EPA.

But this time, there’s a larger concern than the survival of the economy, the environment, and the middle class. This time, democracy itself may well be at stake.

The 2016 takeover of our government by Trump and his billionaire oligarch cronies could be the nightmare that Alexander Hamilton identified, warned us about, and then refused to believe could ever come to pass.

A little history is in order.

https://www.alternet.org/news-amp-politics/alexander-hamilton-threat-america

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deepspace 6 weeks 5 days ago
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Alexander Hamilton Was Obsessed With the Threat a Presidency Like Trump’s Poses for America
This isn't the first time our democracy has faced the founder’s nightmare—but it is the most dangerous.
Independent Media Institute, September 19, 2018
By Thom Hartmann:

In the largest sense, today’s right-wing insanity started with the corporate and wealthy “conservative” backlash to the progressive and trust-busting policies of Teddy Roosevelt, William H. Taft, and Woodrow Wilson from 1901 to 1920.

In the spring of 1920, a presidential election year, Republican Warren G. Harding, famously corrupt and horny (he had an out-of-wedlock child the year before the election, and the rumor persists to this day that his wife poisoned the 57-year-old president four years later for refusing to stop his affairs), had secured his party’s nomination for president.

He ran on a platform that sounded populist, although his major goal was to return the oligarchs who financed him to power after they’d taken a hit from three previous progressive administrations. Harding’s main slogan was that era’s more modest version of make America great again: “A Return to Normalcy.”

The other slogan of his campaign, and, indeed, of his presidency, was privatization and deregulation: “More business in government, less government in business” was his personal favorite slogan, used also on the campaign trail.

Harding’s goal was to deregulate business, while outsourcing government functions whenever possible. And he did it, particularly the deregulation part, including “freeing” the bankers and stockbrokers.

Well-informed Americans of the time saw Harding’s policies as a recipe for disaster; we’d been through all this with the takeover of American government in the last 30 years of the 1800s, referred to by then as the Gilded Age, which ended with the “Great Panic” of 1893-1897. The robber barons of that era treated everybody except the morbidly rich as serfs, right down to fomenting murder and police violence to disrupt workers agitating for unions, better pay or decent working hours.

Thus, during the 1920 Harding campaign came H.L. Mencken’s famous quote about the willingness of the American electorate to follow hustlers, con men, and downright demagogues like Harding. On July 26, 1920, Mencken published an essay in the Baltimore Evening Sun that included:

“As democracy is perfected, the office of president represents, more and more closely, the inner soul of the people. On some great and glorious day the plain folks of the land will reach their heart’s desire at last, and the White House will be adorned by a downright moron.”

https://www.alternet.org/news-amp-politics/alexander-hamilton-threat-america

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Dianereynolds 6 weeks 5 days ago
#16

HotCoffee: Those killing in Mexico are typical stories that occur in a daily basis. Back 35 years ago we had a home in Acapulco and over a very short period of time the deterioration of the city was obvious. We sold and were very glad to be out. Haven't been back since but we can still keep track of the property through Google earth. The good days in that city are long gone.

Sleep well kid.

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deepspace 6 weeks 5 days ago
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Coalage3 6 weeks 4 days ago
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Since the leftists seem to love conspiracy theories, here is mine in regards to the "bombs" (if you can call them that)...

The packages are being sent by a leftist/progressive/crazy democrat. Why? What were the top news stories over the last week or so? The mid-term elections and the caravan. Both of those stories were trending against the democrats. Now the "bomb" story is front and center. With the help of the liberal media, this was designed to drum up sympathetic support for those poor democrats targeted by this mad bomber.

Considering what the left is capable of, this sounds perfectly plausible to me.

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Dianereynolds 6 weeks 4 days ago
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Coalage3, Whether it is a rightie, leftie, or outside influencer that is involved with these so called pipe bombs, they appear to be declaring to the world that they are very inept or could they be intentionally trying to appear as such. From what I have seen so far they did everything but print ACME BOMB CO. on the outside of the envelope.

The week will be another interesting one.

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deepspace 6 weeks 4 days ago
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"Alexander Hamilton Was Obsessed With the Threat a Presidency Like Trump’s Poses for America.
This isn't the first time our democracy has faced the founder’s nightmare—but it is the most dangerous."

Independent Media Institute, September 19, 2018

By Thom Hartmann:

Of President Harding’s rhetoric, as if foreshadowing Trump, Mencken wrote in 1921:

“It reminds me of a string of wet sponges; it reminds me of tattered washing on the line; it reminds me of stale bean-soup, of college yells, of dogs barking idiotically through endless nights. It is so bad that a sort of grandeur creeps into it. It drags itself out of the dark abysm (I was about to write abscess!) of pish, and crawls insanely up the topmost pinnacle of posh. It is rumble and bumble. It is flap and doodle. It is balder and dash.”

And were Harding’s followers similarly like Trump’s, and were his speeches like Trump’s rallies? Mencken wrote:

“When Dr. Harding prepares a speech he does not think of it in terms of an educated reader locked up in jail, but in terms of a great horde of stoneheads gathered around a stand. That is to say, the thing is always a stump speech; it is conceived as a stump speech and written as a stump speech. More, it is a stump speech addressed to the sort of audience that the speaker has been used to all of his life, to wit, an audience of small town yokels, of low political serfs, or morons scarcely able to understand a word of more than two syllables, and wholly able to pursue a logical idea for more than two centimeters.

“Such imbeciles do not want ideas—that is, new ideas, ideas that are unfamiliar, ideas that challenge their attention. What they want is simply a gaudy series of platitudes, of sonorous nonsense driven home with gestures. ... The roll of incomprehensible polysyllables enchants them.”

Mencken and the educated of his day saw great danger in Harding’s simplistic sales pitch that if we only let the very, very wealthy have free reign, they’d make everything right in America.

And Mencken was right. Harding’s election ushered in 12 moronic years of Republican rule, and along with it came massive deficit spending, widespread corruption and cronyism, a declining standard of living for working people, and a stock market fueled by deregulated speculation that was so on fire the era was called “the Roaring 20s.” And then, of course, came the inevitable crash that always follows “conservative” overreach on behalf of the rich.

https://www.alternet.org/news-amp-politics/alexander-hamilton-threat-america

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deepspace 6 weeks 4 days ago
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"Alexander Hamilton Was Obsessed With the Threat a Presidency Like Trump’s Poses for America.
This isn't the first time our democracy has faced the founder’s nightmare—but it is the most dangerous."

Independent Media Institute, September 19, 2018

By Thom Hartmann:

But as corrupt as Harding was, both personally and politically, he wouldn't have been bad enough to frighten the people who founded our republic. That distinction has to go to Donald Trump alone.

Alexander Hamilton—himself an advocate for a soft oligarchy in America, and one of the founders who helped write the Constitution—had a nightmare about a group of hyper-wealthy people launching a multigenerational assault on the Enlightenment ideals of America, leading to the election of a wealthy con man as president. And it sure looks like his nightmare is all about Trump and his Fox News followers.

On August 18, 1792, when Hamilton was Secretary of the Treasury for George Washington, he wrote a rebuttal to those who were skeptical that an American democratic republic could survive over time, when buffeted by the winds and forces of accumulated wealth and the love of some people for aristocracy.

Titled, “Objections and Answers respecting the Administration of the Government,” Hamilton started out by suggesting that as long as we continued to have regular elections, the oligarchs wouldn't be able to gain a toehold in government:

“The idea of introducing a monarchy or aristocracy into this Country, by employing the influence and force of a Government continually changing hands, towards it, is one of those visionary things, that none but madmen could meditate and that no wise men will believe.

“If it could be done at all, which is utterly incredible, it would require a long series of time, certainly beyond the life of any individual to effect it.”

He then pointed out that in 1792 we had a broad, diverse, and local press all across the nation and the highest literacy rate in the developed world; such well-informed people wouldn't be vulnerable to despotism, unless there was some sort of serious chaos—what he called “convulsions and disorders” that would be caused or exploited by “popular demagogues.”

“To hope that the people may be cajoled into giving their sanctions to such institutions is still more chimerical,” Hamilton wrote. “A people so enlightened and so diversified as the people of this Country can surely never be brought to it, but from convulsions and disorders, in consequence of the acts of popular demagogues.”

But if a group could take over the government and turn it against itself, deprive it of its protective function for the people and instead leave citizens to their own devices, Hamilton was somewhat concerned that a despot could take advantage of the ensuing chaos:

“The truth unquestionably is, that the only path to a subversion of the republican system of the Country is, by flattering the prejudices of the people, and exciting their jealousies and apprehensions, to throw affairs into confusion, and bring on civil commotion. Tired at length of anarchy, or want of government, they may take shelter in the arms of monarchy for repose and security.”

https://www.alternet.org/news-amp-politics/alexander-hamilton-threat-america

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Dianereynolds 6 weeks 4 days ago
#26

Morning HotCoffee, A couple of years ago I was constantly telling a leftie/socialist hartmann supporter here that the only reason I was voting for Trump is because of his ability to reform the judicial system. As a far leftie I am sure he never understood my logic. I could explain it to him, I just could not comprehend it for him.

Here is a day brightener.

As of right, now one of every six appellate court judges has been appointed by President Trump. Within the next two years President Trump will have appointed one half of all of them to the bench.

This stuff is great for those of us that believe in the constitution and rule of law.

The birds are well fed.

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"Alexander Hamilton Was Obsessed With the Threat a Presidency Like Trump’s Poses for America.
This isn't the first time our democracy has faced the founder’s nightmare—but it is the most dangerous."

Independent Media Institute, September 19, 2018

By Thom Hartmann:

So, Hamilton reasoned, it wasn't the politicians who may step into the fray with an oligarchic message who were the “true artificers of monarchy”—it was the uber-rich who promoted the destruction of a state devoted to the “general welfare” of “We, the People”:

“Those then, who resist a confirmation of public order, are the true Artificers of monarchy…”

These usurpers of the democratic order in America, then, would prepare the way for a true despot to rise to power, even in America. Hamilton may have had some concerns about men from his generation attempting such a thing; his next sentence was, “Yet it would not be difficult to lay the finger upon some of their party who may justly be suspected.”

But it was unlikely anybody in 1789 had that kind of wealth or power; John Hancock, the wealthiest of the founders, had a net worth of only about $700,000 in today’s dollars. The first millionaire in America—in today’s dollars—was a shipping magnate who hit that level in the 1790s.

If such a thing were to actually happen, Hamilton wrote, it would be through somebody like the uber-wealthy, ultra-conservative Cato, who was a “harsh ruler” of his wife and slaves, and deplored the liberal Greek literature and sexuality that was all the rage.

“It has aptly been observed that Cato was the Tory-Cæsar, the whig of his day,” Hamilton wrote.

So, if a Cato-like man or group of people with massive riches were to succeed in taking over most of the levers of power in American government, Hamilton believed, our nation then would, actually, be vulnerable to a despot rising to the presidency.

https://www.alternet.org/news-amp-politics/alexander-hamilton-threat-america

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HotCoffee 6 weeks 4 days ago
#28

DianeR,

A beautiful fall morning to ya.

Ahhh hot coffee...hope you got in your bloody mary.

Turkeys are well fed...it looks like the people in the caravan are well fed too. Mattis is sending troops.

Amazing that no one on the left cares about amount of sick people in the caravan complaining about being ill to the reporters, the medical costs or the spread of TB et al.

The bombs could be anyone on any side, false flag left... or fed up repub. Who knows?

let's see what today brings....geez!

Have a good one!

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deepspace 6 weeks 4 days ago
#29

The United States' Faustian bargain with Saudi Arabia is historically the responsibility of both major parties; however, it is now up to the Trump Party to respond to the Saudi's latest murderous outrage by claiming the moral high ground.

It's one of the most sacred duties of our elected representatives -- deserving the exalted status of being the First Amendment -- in protecting the intrepid reporters of our nation as well as honoring those who have fallen in the war for truth in authoritarian regimes worldwide, whom Trump, a wannabe king, so loves.

Antithetically, our fascist "leaders" will keep selling out the American people to greedy "defense" contractor billionaires, who donate to their campaigns, as they have done from time immemorial -- or at least since right-wing, corporatized Supreme Courts ruled that money is speech and corporations are people.

So how will this fake "administration" react?

Isn't it obvious?

Jared Kushner's buddy, Saudi Crown Prince Mohammed bin Salman, a ruthless murderer, and his evolving big lie, will eventually come up with the correct-sounding words to please the other immoral, irreligious boy king, Trump the Liar, so that the United Corporations of America can still rake in Saudi oil/blood money.

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deepspace 6 weeks 4 days ago
#30

Trump lies, lies, lies about the caravan ...and then lies even more and more.

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deepspace 6 weeks 4 days ago
#31

cont'd...

"Alexander Hamilton Was Obsessed With the Threat a Presidency Like Trump’s Poses for America.
This isn't the first time our democracy has faced the founder’s nightmare—but it is the most dangerous."

Independent Media Institute, September 19, 2018

By Thom Hartmann:

Because that office of president includes “Commander in Chief,” the man would have to heavily flog his support for the military while, in secret, scoffing at the very idea of the liberty that would otherwise be insured by a truly democratic government.

This wealthy hustler’s main method to seize power would be to bring the government of the United States “under suspicion” while building a base of the “zealots of the day.”

“When a man unprincipled in private life, desperate [hugely wealthy] in his fortune, bold in his temper, possessed of considerable talents, having the advantage of military habits—despotic in his ordinary demeanor—known to have scoffed in private at the principles of liberty—when such a man is seen to mount the hobby horse of popularity—to join in the cry of danger to liberty—to take every opportunity of embarrassing the General Government & bringing it under suspicion—to flatter and fall in with all the non sense of the zealots of the day—It may justly be suspected that his object is to throw things into confusion that he may ‘ride the storm and direct the whirlwind.’”

Hamilton knew that the uber-wealthy Roman senator Catiline tried twice to overthrow the Roman republic by a broad conspiracy of the rich combined with populist rhetoric, and the wealthiest men of Roman society put together his second conspiracy. Similarly, the later Caesars held power through similar means, splitting the populace against itself in a way that eventually led to the collapse of the Roman Empire.

Thus, Hamilton’s next paragraph was a simple and stunning warning to those who were entrusted with the “popular Government” of the United States:

“No popular Government was ever without its Catilines & its Caesars. These are its true enemies.”

https://www.alternet.org/news-amp-politics/alexander-hamilton-threat-america

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HotCoffee 6 weeks 4 days ago
#32

DianeR,

My turkeys want you to know they are 1/1024 % Bald Eagles!

Tommorow it is! See ya then.

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deepspace 6 weeks 4 days ago
#33

...Meanwhile, back in Trumpistan, the egomaniac's drooling fools line up for their daily dollop of steaming manure.

But November's coming and the truth marches on...

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deepspace 6 weeks 4 days ago
#34

cont'd...

"Alexander Hamilton Was Obsessed With the Threat a Presidency Like Trump’s Poses for America.
This isn't the first time our democracy has faced the founder’s nightmare—but it is the most dangerous."

Independent Media Institute, September 19, 2018

By Thom Hartmann:

The Catilines and Caesars of our era are the morbidly rich billionaires who have set out to seize control of every aspect of the political life of America, just as they tried so disastrously in 1920.

While we’ve always had wealthy people influencing politics to their own benefit, what’s happening today is something altogether new, as documented by Jane Mayer in Dark Money and Nancy MacLean in Democracy in Chains.

It mostly started back in 1971, when Lewis Powell wrote a call to arms to his friend and neighbor, Eugene Sydnor Jr., who was at the time a director of the U.S. Chamber of Commerce.

The “Powell memo” called for wealthy industrialists and companies themselves to fund a giant machine that could capture the U.S. government and turn it away from the protections for citizens and the environment that were being championed by Rachel Carson and Ralph Nader (named in the document) and toward a system that was, essentially, an oligarchy.

A small but incredibly wealthy number of what we’d today call billionaires or oligarchs were energized by Powell’s call to arms; they quickly stepped up and funded an entire right-wing infrastructure to bring this about.

Some started think tanks to influence public discussion and reframe issues of power and wealth along oligarchic Libertarian lines. Others funded a society for lawyers that could be a feeder system for getting reliably oligarch-friendly judges into state and federal courts. Another started a network of billionaires to pool their money to flip elections. And one even kicked off a 24/7 right-wing “news” channel to influence American public opinion in a way that would show up at the ballot box.

Richard Nixon put Powell on the Supreme Court in 1972, and Powell then championed the “right” of oligarchs to own politicians in the 1976 Buckley v Valeo Supreme Court decision, blowing up campaign finance limits by ruling that when billionaires want to spend their own money to elect or destroy politicians, that spending of money was protected under the First Amendment as “free speech.” (Citizens United vastly expanded this power in 2010.)

https://www.alternet.org/news-amp-politics/alexander-hamilton-threat-america

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Dianereynolds 6 weeks 4 days ago
#35

HotCoffee, back at ya! No bloody marys until the weekend but one os soon upon us so I can get the celery and olives ready.

I was watching a televised Trump rally and noticed there are no Antifa, no riot police, no teargas, no millennial snowflakes, no violence, no toppling of war memorials, no rioting and looting on the streets, no pooping on the sidewalks, and no burning flags.

Just people going in or calmly tailgating together and watching on the big screens outside. When the event is over, the area is cleaner than when they arrived. Really nice to see.

coalage3 raised some questions about the bomber that does not know how to make a bomb but whoever he/she/alphabet are they are full on batshit crazy and deserve the punishment they will receive, assuming they get in front of one of Trumps judge picks. This is a federal crime so we need not worry about some local leftie judge cutting them loose because they were picked on as a kid.

Until tomorrow.

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deepspace 6 weeks 4 days ago
#36

cont'd...

"Alexander Hamilton Was Obsessed With the Threat a Presidency Like Trump’s Poses for America.
This isn't the first time our democracy has faced the founder’s nightmare—but it is the most dangerous."

Independent Media Institute, September 19, 2018

By Thom Hartmann:

It was a long slog for the oligarchy. In 1980, when billionaire David Koch ran for vice president of the United States on the Libertarian ticket, most Americans looked at his platform and laughed. It said, in part:

“We urge the repeal of federal campaign finance laws, and the immediate abolition of the despotic Federal Election Commission.

“We favor the abolition of Medicare and Medicaid programs.

“We oppose any compulsory insurance or tax-supported plan to provide health services, including those which finance abortion services.

“We also favor the deregulation of the medical insurance industry.

“We favor the repeal of the fraudulent, virtually bankrupt, and increasingly oppressive Social Security system. Pending that repeal, participation in Social Security should be made voluntary.

“We propose the abolition of the governmental Postal Service. The present system, in addition to being inefficient, encourages governmental surveillance of private correspondence. Pending abolition, we call for an end to the monopoly system and for allowing free competition in all aspects of postal service.

“We oppose all personal and corporate income taxation, including capital gains taxes.

“We support the eventual repeal of all taxation.

“As an interim measure, all criminal and civil sanctions against tax evasion should be terminated immediately.

“We support repeal of all laws which impede the ability of any person to find employment, such as minimum wage laws.

“We advocate the complete separation of education and State. Government schools lead to the indoctrination of children and interfere with the free choice of individuals. Government ownership, operation, regulation, and subsidy of schools and colleges should be ended.

“We condemn compulsory education laws … and we call for the immediate repeal of such laws.

“We support the repeal of all taxes on the income or property of private schools, whether profit or non-profit.

“We support the abolition of the Environmental Protection Agency.

“We support abolition of the Department of Energy.

“We call for the dissolution of all government agencies concerned with transportation, including the Department of Transportation.

“We demand the return of America’s railroad system to private ownership. We call for the privatization of the public roads and national highway system.

“We specifically oppose laws requiring an individual to buy or use so-called ‘self-protection’ equipment such as safety belts, air bags, or crash helmets.

“We advocate the abolition of the Federal Aviation Administration.

“We advocate the abolition of the Food and Drug Administration.

“We support an end to all subsidies for child-bearing built into our present laws, including all welfare plans and the provision of tax-supported services for children.

“We oppose all government welfare, relief projects, and ‘aid to the poor’ programs. All these government programs are privacy-invading, paternalistic, demeaning, and inefficient. The proper source of help for such persons is the voluntary efforts of private groups and individuals.

“We call for the privatization of the inland waterways, and of the distribution system that brings water to industry, agriculture and households.

“We call for the repeal of the Occupational Safety and Health Act.

“We call for the abolition of the Consumer Product Safety Commission.

“We support the repeal of all state usury laws.” *

* Notice what’s lacking from Koch’s list: abortion, prayer in schools, the Ten Commandments, Israel, or bans on gay marriage. All of these issues were added, in part at the suggestion of multimillionaire Jerry Falwell and billionaire Pat Robertson, to bring the rubes from the White Evangelical movement into the fold. Adding in guns brought in big money from the NRA. Combining these two factions with the Koch’s billionaire buddies produced the modern Republican coalition.

https://www.alternet.org/news-amp-politics/alexander-hamilton-threat-america

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Dianereynolds 6 weeks 4 days ago
#37

HotCoffee,

See if you can catch a minute or two of Chris tingle up your leg Matthews show. Tell me what is going on with his mouth. It looks like he has ground down his teeth and eats a pound of licorice because when he talks, there is just a black hole with words coming out. Spooky to say the least. Fits right in with Halloween though.

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HotCoffee 6 weeks 4 days ago
#38

Hey DianeR,

This should make DS happy.....

I agree with President Obama 100%! pic.twitter.com/PI3aW1Zh5Q

I saw CM on a blip Hannity had on. Maybe they don't pay him enough for a dentist! Most of the Dems seem to be wearing funeral black today...how fitting since the blue wave seems to be turning into a muddy puddle! Have to go get some apples & pears from the trees before the deer and bears eat them all! be back tomorrow.........:)

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deepspace 6 weeks 4 days ago
#40

Samantha Bee speaks truth to power.

Seth Meyers speaks truth to power.

Stephen Colbert speaks truth to power.

deepspace's picture
deepspace 6 weeks 4 days ago
#41

Thom Hartmann speaks truth to power.

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HotCoffee 6 weeks 4 days ago
#42

Obama lies to your face and you close your eyes & look for lies.

pic.twitter.com/PI3aW1Zh5Q pic.twitter.com/PI3aW1Zh5Q

pic.twitter.com/PI3aW1Zh5Q

Horses are awesome but they do come with a lot of horse shite!

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deepspace 6 weeks 3 days ago
#43

Imigh leat, óinseach!

You had ample opportunity to come clean as a Trump troll, to do your homework, and to speak to the big issues of our time on Thom's Blog; instead, as a dumbed-down Republican and fascist follower, you've chosen to display abject ignorance, proving yourself over and over to be hopelessly scatterbrained, deliberately deflecting, intellectually dishonest, and a habitual purveyor of despicable right-wing lies -- in other words, a willfully ignorant Trump troll. What you clueless eejits call "opposing opinions" are nothing but flat-out lies easily proven as such. And I don't suffer fools or liars gladly.

Téigh trasna ort féin.

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deepspace 6 weeks 3 days ago
#44

cont'd...

"Alexander Hamilton Was Obsessed With the Threat a Presidency Like Trump’s Poses for America.
This isn't the first time our democracy has faced the founder’s nightmare—but it is the most dangerous."

Independent Media Institute, September 19, 2018

By Thom Hartmann:

David Koch’s Libertarian vision was definitely not how most Americans thought our government should look.

Just a quarter-century earlier, President Dwight Eisenhower had weighed in on these Libertarians and John Birchers (Fred Koch, David’s father, as a big fan of the John Birch Society) and the Koch brothers’ spiritual forbearers, the oil-rich Texan Hunt brothers, in a letter to his ultra-conservative brother, Edgar. He wrote:

“[I]t is quite clear that the Federal government cannot avoid or escape responsibilities which the mass of the people firmly believe should be undertaken by it. The political processes of our country are such that if a rule of reason is not applied in this effort, we will lose everything—even to a possible and drastic change in the Constitution. This is what I mean by my constant insistence upon ‘moderation’ in government.

“Should any political party attempt to abolish social security, unemployment insurance, and eliminate labor laws and farm programs, you would not hear of that party again in our political history.

“There is a tiny splinter group, of course, that believes you can do these things. Among them are H. L. Hunt (you possibly know his background), a few other Texas oil millionaires, and an occasional politician or business man from other areas. Their number is negligible and they are stupid.”

But this wasn't an effort of a single generation, as Eisenhower had imagined and as Hamilton figured would always be the case. And it wasn't modestly financed by a few insider bankers and industrialists like Harding’s campaign. It was, rather, a multigenerational program, funded over the decades with billions of dollars, and with a national presence so large that the Kochs’ vast network now is better funded, is better staffed, and has more offices than either the Republican or Democratic parties.

Most of the original funders of Powell’s plan to turn America into an oligarchy are dead, but their multigenerational plan continues to roll along. And now many of the goals that Powell and the 1980 Libertarians first articulated—and Hamilton had nightmares about—are near completion.

Now that the U.S. Supreme Court, in a series of 5-4 decisions, has handed the power to alter elections to a few hundred billionaires and well-funded organizations (including foreign governments), and billionaire oligarch Trump has taken the White House with the help of billionaire oligarch Murdoch, Hamilton’s nightmare is nearly realized.

The question now is whether enough Americans have awakened to this reality to show up in November to defy the wealthy purveyors of fear and discontent who want complete and final control over our nation.

Tag, you’re it.

https://www.alternet.org/news-amp-politics/alexander-hamilton-threat-america

This article was produced by the Independent Media Institute.

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deepspace 6 weeks 3 days ago
#45

OpEdNews, July 30, 2018

"Trump Is in Major Legal and Political Trouble — His Desperate Attempts to Escape Could Lead America to Catastrophe.
We should prepare for any drastic measures from war to martial law that Trump may undertake to escape his crises."

By Thom Hartmann:

Is it now time to imagine how far Trump and his Republican cronies in Congress might be able to push things? And how we, as Americans, might respond?

This isn't the first time such a question has been raised.

A bit more than a week before the election of 2016 -- a week before Trump won the election -- one of the few people on earth who's really and truly studied Donald Trump up close and personal, Tony Schwartz, granted an interview to the British newspaper the Independent.

Schwartz, who wrote Trump's book The Art of the Deal and spent months with Trump to gather information for the book, predicted that Trump would declare martial law. Not as a possibility, but as a near-certainty.

Schwartz predicted that Trump would do three specific things, although not necessarily all at once or in any particular order: He'd attack the free press; he'd compile an enemies list and begin getting revenge on those he thinks slighted him; and he'd declare martial law to solidify his power.

"When I said that," Schwartz told the Independent, "I got a lot of rolling of the eyes from people in the media and other people to whom I was making that case. I think today, people do really begin to understand that this is a volatile man with very low self control."

How would this happen? Andrew Buncombe, who interviewed Schwartz for the Independent, wrote: "Asked how Mr. Trump would go about undertaking such a drastic measure, [Schwartz] said many of Mr. Trump's supporters were police, members of the border guards force and the 'far right wing' of the military."

It's enough to make you think that Charlottesville was just a dress rehearsal for our version of the Brownshirts, and that Trump is counting on the support of these "very fine people" if he ever needs them in a pinch. Our very own version of Kristallnacht could be not far off.

For example, imagine that Trump, his family members, and numerous Republicans are indicted for actual crimes, and, particularly with the Nunes faction of Congress, for conspiring to conceal or obstruct investigations of those crimes. And the indictment comes right after the election in November when Democrats have won control of one or both houses of Congress, but Republicans are still in charge until January.

This combination would present Trump and his GOP with both a problem and an opportunity.

The problem, of course, is that Trump, Jared, Don Jr., and the Republicans who've conspired with Trump like Devin Nunes (for example) might all be heading toward jail, and possibly even impeachment after the first week of the New Year.

The opportunity is to create a constitutional crisis and grab even more power and immunity for themselves, possibly even "temporarily suspending" the 2020 presidential elections.

There are numerous possible scenarios; I'll just outline a few trigger points, and you can fill in the rest.

https://www.opednews.com/articles/Trump-Is-in-Major-Legal-an-by-Thom-Hartmann-America-Freedom-To-Fascism_Iran_Korea_Military-180730-178.html

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Coalage3 6 weeks 3 days ago
#46

And yet, despite posting all of these nice diatribes, no lefty is able to come up with anyway that the Trump presidency has done actual harm to them. In fact, one could credibly argue that Stephen Colbert, Seth Meyers, and Samantha Bee in particular have all prospered because of Trump.

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Dianereynolds 6 weeks 3 days ago
#47

Coalage3, Yor are are correct, with few exceptions most media, with the exclusion of CNN, have all prospered during Trumps tenure in office. I am not so sure about the late night shows who have really put off half their audience. In fact many of them draw a smaller following that major morning rock and roll/chatter radio shows.

Regardless of one's political preferences, the fact the smaller two-three hour radio talking bobbleheads are still surviving in the market but only because they have shored up their programs by adding a lot of one minute spots to each hour of babble, so much so that I really only tune in Limbaugh as he charges so much for spots he does not have to start each and every segment with a buy gold, buy a chair, or some blind company promo. His are very limited and he gets a lot of entertainment into each hour he is on the air. His success is clearly the fact he calls himself an entertainer not to be taken seriously.

So, in fact Trump even makes his detractors wealthier and they should be thanking him for that on a daily basis.

Coalage3 6 weeks 3 days ago
#48

So the alleged mail bomber, Cesar Sayoc, has been caught in FL. He supposedly has decals of Trump and the republican party all over his van. Reports also say that law enforcement knew of this person from previous threats he had made. So why was he still on the street?

Even though none of the bombs went off, and there are stories that they couldn't be detonated, anyone want to bet that the CNN coverage will be "over the top"? Do you think a panel will be seated with Don Lemon tonight to discuss who was crazier, James Hodgkinson or Cesar Sayoc? Do you think CNN will accept at least part of the blame for ratcheting up the political violence in the country due to their hyper partisan 24 hr. anti-Trump rhetoric, and issue a call for civility as the President has done? Do you think that Lemon will tearfully implore democrats to do their part and tone down their rabid speech?

If Trump is somehow responsible for this bomber, then obviously Bernie Sanders and CNN are responsible for Hodgkinson and his carnage.

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Dianereynolds 6 weeks 3 days ago
#49

HotCoffee, Black Bears in your Pear trees? Be careful out there. I just saw a video of a Grizzly charging a man who was trying to retrieve his dog from the yard. The bear was 10 feet and hit in the face with a 12 ga. full of birdshot and brushed it off like he was swatting a mosquito. Fortunately everyone survived but best not swat the bears, even cute little black bears.

It's the weekend and a Bloody Mary before dinner is in order.

Glad they caught this bomber nutjob. Interesting to find out his past terroristic threats and why he was released.

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HotCoffee 6 weeks 3 days ago
#50

Good day DianeR,

You & coalage3 are right on!

Well news is off to an interesting start again today. He has a terror threat from 2002? I wonder who was threatened then? Promoter for Chippendales, that has a tinge of Avanatti.

Bears around here all the time...I get a good close up look when they are on the porch.

This is mountian lion, and wild pig territory too, Banging pots & pans doesn't work but a bullet into the sand pile scares them away. The pigs are as bad as the bears. Actually the spiders bug me more than the bears...:).

More later .... another great day!

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