Quote humanitys team:This is exactly why we should have separation of politics and economics and we need to remember that politics is our spirituality demonstrated.
Anything that regulates the business community and the economic system is seen as limiting basic American freedom.
Oh, the cannibal wants politics to keep out of cannibalism! You feel you have a right to cannibalize your fellow human. You feel unfree if we watch you cannibalizing people or what?
I don't think Obama is really a convicted bluedog. But if he doesn't get enough votes, or you take votes away from him after a couple months, you can't expect social-democratic results. Obama isn't the sunking. He can't say, "L'etat c'est moi", and just give Americans order to have public healthcare! If you hate democracy too much, just get yourself a bunch of GOP fascists who will just smile if you croak! Probably not even that....
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Quote DRichards:Excuse me Clarissa for being pessimistic; but I have been listening to the Democratic mantra ................................................. Forgive me for the hope for more.
All I can do is forgive those who have voted for GOP in the past and got us into the present mess. But sorry, I'm unable to find any excuses for this.
Yesterday I listened to Norman Goldman. he told, even Stephanie Miller had called in the day before, because he had bashed Obama. I listened to his very unjust and merciless blaming Obama for a while and then started crying and turned the radio off.
Yes, many projects didn't work out as Obama had hoped. I do remember the struggle during those months when he tried to get the healthcare bills through congress. It was awful!!!! And awful wasn't the president -- awful were all those who didn't let him do his job. Awful where all those commentators who babbled a bunch of hooey and had no idea how complicated that whole project was.
And don't you think Obama likes to extend the Bush taxcuts! There went other things with it as I saw. Obama can't do anything without compromising and it's the voter's fault. Nobody's else!
You guys are like drunkards who wake up with headache and swear: "Ain't gonna drink no more!" The week later they're pissed again and they vote Republican, although it's unhealthy as well.
This is exactly why we should have separation of politics and economics and we need to remember that politics is our spirituality demonstrated.
Anything that regulates the business community and the economic system is seen as limiting basic American freedom.People believe that their personal life is threatened at the most basic level if political decisions are made that appear to impinge in even the slightest way upon their economic choices-even when those political decisions are demonstrably for there own good,such as basic government regulation of the health care system or regulation for safety in the work place or environment legislation to protect our children and our mother earth which gives us ALL life,and to protect consumers from food processing etc etc.
But we must understand that the economic system itself limits people,s choices such as monopoly of huge areas of industry and locking out all competition,then setting the rules of the game for advancement of the few at the expense of the many.Then people are forced to buy products that goes against there basic freedom this you have defined as free market economics ,i call it abuse
enslavement and subjugation as only a tiny minority are served and enriched by this economy.
The economy was meant to help as all but the way it has been manipulated by the few it has turned out to hurt the majority of people in the world.Believe it or not the economy was never meant to control our lives.
It has been said no one is truly well of while others are dying !!!
Some of this information was taken from The Storm Before The Calm by Neale Donald Walsch .
Quote John.F:There just has to be a happy medium somewhere. If both the republicans and the democrats....
Your "happy" blah-blah is pretty commen -- but doesn't match reality. How can you work with guys who don't care for common people?
Politics is hard work my friend! The world you live in must be darn childish.....
We are fighting for this country not to drown. We fight for common peoples' rights, lives and health.
And I kill my time without pay -- I'm not even a member of the Democratic Party. No, I'm not happy here -- I don't ask for being happy here. I'm just dealing with reality, trying hard to pull myself together every day. That's all.
"Casino Jack"-2010 movie:
Sure shows off the hypocrisy and criminality of the sleazy Republicans and was very funny at times. Kevin Spacey was fantastic as Jack Abramoff. Now playing on Satellite TV.
To work for a non-union company reminds me of my dad’s stories working in the auto factories in Dearborn Michigan before the unions and fighting for the right to unionize. My dad witnessed the struggle to work for the right to live a decent life.
Back in the 1980’s living in Dearborn Michigan, I’d walk across the street to sit and talk with Joe, the retired person in his 80’s while he sat on his front porch, a retired UAW local union president. He would tell me stories of his history. The one phrase that Joe said which I will never forget referring to the 1930’s and the union struggle: “I don’t know who came first, Jesus or President Roosevelt?”
There just has to be a happy medium somewhere. If both the republicans and the democrats really care about this country and their people then they need to prove it but working together and not bullying one another.
It is always a political game to get anything done in order to become one of the best 100 and there are times when people just need to put their issues aside and do the right things.
I’ve decided to narrow down the scope of this blog and have each day represent a specific topic to talk about. I’m open to any and all suggestions (although, keep them broad; as in “Books” rather than “The Collected Works of Charles Dickens”).
I have experience in the right-to-work-for-less, but not in a for-right-to-work-for-less state. Let me explain, for 17 years I worked for a large non union printing company. I was in the prepress graphic arts dept., a fast paced environment with no room for error. Mandatory 70 hour work weeks were the norm. Several unionization attempts failed with management successfully pitting worker aqainst worker in bitter struggles with firings and lawsuits.
Anyway after 17 miserable and relentless years in pusuit of the God Almighty Dollar, I'd had enough, I wanted out, and I wanted a union. I took a civil service test and got what I wanted. So to make a long story short , the last 14 years I've proudly and happily been a member of a great public employees union. I work in a classroom setting caring for some of society's most vulnerable citizens. I actually work for less money but get much more in return for the soul.
I have to say..... although I agree with you Thom on the-right-to-work-for-less as being accurate, I've been calling it the right-to-work-without-rights. My union first and foremost protects my rights as a worker.
The taft hartley act talk was some great info today!
I worked as a seasonal migratory farm worker in BC for 10 yrs, then the wages went from $8hr to piecework.The BS sales pitch was that if you were fast, you could earn more money. I was picking fruits and vegetables for as little as 25 cents an hr.People didn't have time to chat anymore while they worked. I noticed that I was becoming a minority as illegal immigrants took over all the workl. I left and went into construction. For 16 yrs, I worked non-union, I would've made the same wage flipping burgers. Then I got into the union and had middle class wages for 2 yrs, but the Great Depression has left me unemployed for the last 3 yrs. Now I am going to school. I have spent 27 yrs starting at the bottom.Now I wonder if I will ever work again.
Funky Walker is a very dirty talker-I got a special holiday just for him called "Skanksgiving".He is skanky to the people, so the people should be skanky back!
I guess this isn't the place to post. There's nobody here. I will leave the following just in case anyone wanders through:
I know better than to do this but I got into a debate with a "friend of a friend" on Facebook. I believe I was holding my own with regards to the wealthy paying their fair share of taxes and I was criticizing "Supply-Side Economics," along with a couple of other things when I got the following reply:
"Supply side economics has to do with marginal income tax rates, not capital gains tax. There was never a dispute about the effect of capital gains rates until now. The president spent over 800 billion dollars on so called shovel ready infrastructure jobs and has left us nothing but the debt. By the way, marginal tax rates were reduced by Pres. Kennedy, Pres. Reagan, and Pres G.W. Bush and has created economic growth each time. Reagan inherited a recession that was long gone by 1982. Pres. Hoover was a Keynesian. That didn't go very well."
While I know that, technically, supply side economics as Reagan popularized the term, has only to do with marginal income tax rates I believe all the tax breaks that favor the wealthy use the argument that they (the tax breaks) will encourage investments. I believe I countered well until this last statement. I may just be tired of the argument but I feel stumped and I'd really like some input as to what to say to put an end to this.
Excuse me Clarissa for being pessimistic; but I have been listening to the Democratic mantra that we (the middle class) are still better off under their rule than the republicans; as the middle class has lost ground the past thirty years. It seems to me that if we keep settling for "it's the best we can hope for" things will never change. Forgive me for the hope for more.
Robert Scheer said................
........in a Truthdig article:
"....if Obama meant what he said in Tuesday’s State of the Union address about holding the financial industry responsible for its scams, why did he appoint the old Clinton crowd that had legalized those scams to the top economic posts in his administration? Why did he hire Timothy Geithner, who has turned the Treasury Department into a concierge service for Wall Street tycoons? ....
...Why hasn’t he pushed for a restoration of the Glass-Steagall Act, which Clinton’s deregulation reversed? Does the president really believe that the Dodd-Frank slap-on-the-wrist sellout represents “new rules to hold Wall Street accountable, so a crisis like this never happens again”? Can he name one single too-big-to-fail banking monstrosity that has been reduced in size on his watch instead of encouraged to grow ever larger by Treasury and Fed bailouts and interest-free money?....
...When Obama declared Tuesday evening “no American company should be able to avoid paying its fair share of taxes by moving jobs and profits overseas,” wasn’t he aware that Jeffrey Immelt, the man he appointed to head his jobs council, is the most egregious offender? Immelt, the CEO of GE, heads a company with most of its workers employed in foreign countries, a corporation that makes 82 percent of its profit abroad and has paid no U.S. taxes in the past three years.....
...It was also a bit bizarre for Obama to celebrate Steve Jobs as a model entrepreneur when the manufacturing jobs that the late Apple CEO created are in the same China that elsewhere in his speech the president sought to scapegoat for America’s problems.
Chris Hedges said................
....in this Truthdig article:
"Voting will not alter the corporate systems of power. Voting is an act of political theater. Voting in the United States is as futile and sterile as in the elections I covered as a reporter in dictatorships like Syria, Iran and Iraq. There were always opposition candidates offered up by these dictatorships. Give the people the illusion of choice. Throw up the pretense of debate. Let the power elite hold public celebrations to exalt the triumph of popular will. We can vote for Romney or Obama, but Goldman Sachs and ExxonMobil and Bank of America and the defense contractors always win. There is little difference between our electoral charade and the ones endured by the Syrians and Iranians. Do we really believe that Obama has, or ever had, any intention to change the culture in Washington?
In this year’s presidential election I will vote for a third-party candidate, either the Green Party candidate or Rocky Anderson, assuming one of them makes it onto the ballot in New Jersey, but voting is nothing more than a brief chance to register our disgust with the corporate state. It will not alter the configurations of power. The campaign is not worth our emotional, physical or intellectual energy.
Our efforts must be directed toward acts of civil disobedience, to chipping away, through nonviolent protest, at the pillars of established, corporate power. The corporate state is so unfair, so corrupt and so rotten that the institutions tasked with holding it up—the police, the press, the banking system, the civil service and the judiciary—have become vulnerable. It is becoming harder and harder for the corporations to convince its foot soldiers to hold the system in place."
Thom, please note that Gary and parts of northwestern Indiana can hear your show on tape delay at 2PM Central on WCPT-AM 820 and the Chicago's Progressive Talk FM affiliate WCPQ-FM 99.9. But you are correct that no prog talk stations exist in the state of Indiana.
Thom, this is an all out assault on the working people. It is spreading like a cancer from Wisconsin to Indiana to god knows where next. BTW, loved the Reagan tape on support of labor. Where can I get a copy to show to repubs?
If you can't tell good guys from bad guys, I can't help you, my friend. If you can't trust Obama and give him time to actually do something, you probably deserve a GOP regime. But then don't complain -- I won't listen......
Do you also sing "All Or Nothing at All?"
You're nothing but negative and political suicidal. Tank some positive thoughts -- listen to people who are optimistic! Thom Hartmann for example....
_____________________
You can't get a president that isn't rich -- not before we've changed the system. But if you people give up Obama and have no patience and responsibility: how should it ever happen? America is esceptionally depressed.
No, Germany is freer. On the whole worker rights are better protected. People are even hard to put out by landlords! Well, gun rights are pretty tough there but that's alright with me. Teachers with headscarfs? Why wear headscarfs? Don't like that either. Non-Christians not allowed to build private schools? Not true -- don't tell meJews are not allowed that! Anyway, Germany is pretty atheistic. Don't forget our southern Baptists: they teach downright middle-age and those people are awfully behind and unfree.
Anyway, I fight right-wingers here. If you're a social democrat: why must I waste my power, nerves and time on this? It only helps the GOP....
You cannot take a break,win a battle 12 more appear,go to bed with it get up with new problems.The idea that the labels keep the boundries meaning if your middle class that is where you are,if your poor that is where you will stay..the terms in which we speak is limiting our progress..
Cannibalizing humanity(s) team -- pshaw!
I don't think Obama is really a convicted bluedog. But if he doesn't get enough votes, or you take votes away from him after a couple months, you can't expect social-democratic results. Obama isn't the sunking. He can't say, "L'etat c'est moi", and just give Americans order to have public healthcare! If you hate democracy too much, just get yourself a bunch of GOP fascists who will just smile if you croak! Probably not even that....
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Yesterday I listened to Norman Goldman. he told, even Stephanie Miller had called in the day before, because he had bashed Obama. I listened to his very unjust and merciless blaming Obama for a while and then started crying and turned the radio off.
Yes, many projects didn't work out as Obama had hoped. I do remember the struggle during those months when he tried to get the healthcare bills through congress. It was awful!!!! And awful wasn't the president -- awful were all those who didn't let him do his job. Awful where all those commentators who babbled a bunch of hooey and had no idea how complicated that whole project was.
And don't you think Obama likes to extend the Bush taxcuts! There went other things with it as I saw. Obama can't do anything without compromising and it's the voter's fault. Nobody's else!
You guys are like drunkards who wake up with headache and swear: "Ain't gonna drink no more!" The week later they're pissed again and they vote Republican, although it's unhealthy as well.
NO DISCIPLINE AT ALL!
This is exactly why we should have separation of politics and economics and we need to remember that politics is our spirituality demonstrated.
Anything that regulates the business community and the economic system is seen as limiting basic American freedom.People believe that their personal life is threatened at the most basic level if political decisions are made that appear to impinge in even the slightest way upon their economic choices-even when those political decisions are demonstrably for there own good,such as basic government regulation of the health care system or regulation for safety in the work place or environment legislation to protect our children and our mother earth which gives us ALL life,and to protect consumers from food processing etc etc.
But we must understand that the economic system itself limits people,s choices such as monopoly of huge areas of industry and locking out all competition,then setting the rules of the game for advancement of the few at the expense of the many.Then people are forced to buy products that goes against there basic freedom this you have defined as free market economics ,i call it abuse
enslavement and subjugation as only a tiny minority are served and enriched by this economy.
The economy was meant to help as all but the way it has been manipulated by the few it has turned out to hurt the majority of people in the world.Believe it or not the economy was never meant to control our lives.
It has been said no one is truly well of while others are dying !!!
Some of this information was taken from The Storm Before The Calm by Neale Donald Walsch .
Politics is hard work my friend! The world you live in must be darn childish.....
We are fighting for this country not to drown. We fight for common peoples' rights, lives and health.
And I kill my time without pay -- I'm not even a member of the Democratic Party. No, I'm not happy here -- I don't ask for being happy here. I'm just dealing with reality, trying hard to pull myself together every day. That's all.
The Reagan tape is at
You'll get all the links in the newsletter from now on.
"Casino Jack"-2010 movie:
Sure shows off the hypocrisy and criminality of the sleazy Republicans and was very funny at times. Kevin Spacey was fantastic as Jack Abramoff. Now playing on Satellite TV.
To work for a non-union company reminds me of my dad’s stories working in the auto factories in Dearborn Michigan before the unions and fighting for the right to unionize. My dad witnessed the struggle to work for the right to live a decent life.
Back in the 1980’s living in Dearborn Michigan, I’d walk across the street to sit and talk with Joe, the retired person in his 80’s while he sat on his front porch, a retired UAW local union president. He would tell me stories of his history. The one phrase that Joe said which I will never forget referring to the 1930’s and the union struggle: “I don’t know who came first, Jesus or President Roosevelt?”
History if not learned will repeat itself.
There just has to be a happy medium somewhere. If both the republicans and the democrats really care about this country and their people then they need to prove it but working together and not bullying one another.
It is always a political game to get anything done in order to become one of the best 100 and there are times when people just need to put their issues aside and do the right things.
I’ve decided to narrow down the scope of this blog and have each day represent a specific topic to talk about. I’m open to any and all suggestions (although, keep them broad; as in “Books” rather than “The Collected Works of Charles Dickens”).
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*Everything is okay in the end. If it's not okay, then it's not the end*
I have experience in the right-to-work-for-less, but not in a for-right-to-work-for-less state. Let me explain, for 17 years I worked for a large non union printing company. I was in the prepress graphic arts dept., a fast paced environment with no room for error. Mandatory 70 hour work weeks were the norm. Several unionization attempts failed with management successfully pitting worker aqainst worker in bitter struggles with firings and lawsuits.
Anyway after 17 miserable and relentless years in pusuit of the God Almighty Dollar, I'd had enough, I wanted out, and I wanted a union. I took a civil service test and got what I wanted. So to make a long story short , the last 14 years I've proudly and happily been a member of a great public employees union. I work in a classroom setting caring for some of society's most vulnerable citizens. I actually work for less money but get much more in return for the soul.
I have to say..... although I agree with you Thom on the-right-to-work-for-less as being accurate, I've been calling it the right-to-work-without-rights. My union first and foremost protects my rights as a worker.
The taft hartley act talk was some great info today!
I worked as a seasonal migratory farm worker in BC for 10 yrs, then the wages went from $8hr to piecework.The BS sales pitch was that if you were fast, you could earn more money. I was picking fruits and vegetables for as little as 25 cents an hr.People didn't have time to chat anymore while they worked. I noticed that I was becoming a minority as illegal immigrants took over all the workl. I left and went into construction. For 16 yrs, I worked non-union, I would've made the same wage flipping burgers. Then I got into the union and had middle class wages for 2 yrs, but the Great Depression has left me unemployed for the last 3 yrs. Now I am going to school. I have spent 27 yrs starting at the bottom.Now I wonder if I will ever work again.
Funky Walker is a very dirty talker-I got a special holiday just for him called "Skanksgiving".He is skanky to the people, so the people should be skanky back!
I guess this isn't the place to post. There's nobody here. I will leave the following just in case anyone wanders through:
I know better than to do this but I got into a debate with a "friend of a friend" on Facebook. I believe I was holding my own with regards to the wealthy paying their fair share of taxes and I was criticizing "Supply-Side Economics," along with a couple of other things when I got the following reply:
"Supply side economics has to do with marginal income tax rates, not capital gains tax. There was never a dispute about the effect of capital gains rates until now. The president spent over 800 billion dollars on so called shovel ready infrastructure jobs and has left us nothing but the debt. By the way, marginal tax rates were reduced by Pres. Kennedy, Pres. Reagan, and Pres G.W. Bush and has created economic growth each time. Reagan inherited a recession that was long gone by 1982. Pres. Hoover was a Keynesian. That didn't go very well."
While I know that, technically, supply side economics as Reagan popularized the term, has only to do with marginal income tax rates I believe all the tax breaks that favor the wealthy use the argument that they (the tax breaks) will encourage investments. I believe I countered well until this last statement. I may just be tired of the argument but I feel stumped and I'd really like some input as to what to say to put an end to this.
Excuse me Clarissa for being pessimistic; but I have been listening to the Democratic mantra that we (the middle class) are still better off under their rule than the republicans; as the middle class has lost ground the past thirty years. It seems to me that if we keep settling for "it's the best we can hope for" things will never change. Forgive me for the hope for more.
Robert Scheer said................
........in a Truthdig article:
"....if Obama meant what he said in Tuesday’s State of the Union address about holding the financial industry responsible for its scams, why did he appoint the old Clinton crowd that had legalized those scams to the top economic posts in his administration? Why did he hire Timothy Geithner, who has turned the Treasury Department into a concierge service for Wall Street tycoons? ....
...Why hasn’t he pushed for a restoration of the Glass-Steagall Act, which Clinton’s deregulation reversed? Does the president really believe that the Dodd-Frank slap-on-the-wrist sellout represents “new rules to hold Wall Street accountable, so a crisis like this never happens again”? Can he name one single too-big-to-fail banking monstrosity that has been reduced in size on his watch instead of encouraged to grow ever larger by Treasury and Fed bailouts and interest-free money?....
...When Obama declared Tuesday evening “no American company should be able to avoid paying its fair share of taxes by moving jobs and profits overseas,” wasn’t he aware that Jeffrey Immelt, the man he appointed to head his jobs council, is the most egregious offender? Immelt, the CEO of GE, heads a company with most of its workers employed in foreign countries, a corporation that makes 82 percent of its profit abroad and has paid no U.S. taxes in the past three years.....
...It was also a bit bizarre for Obama to celebrate Steve Jobs as a model entrepreneur when the manufacturing jobs that the late Apple CEO created are in the same China that elsewhere in his speech the president sought to scapegoat for America’s problems.
http://www.truthdig.com/report/item/obamas_faux_populism_sounds_like_bil...
Chris Hedges said................
....in this Truthdig article:
"Voting will not alter the corporate systems of power. Voting is an act of political theater. Voting in the United States is as futile and sterile as in the elections I covered as a reporter in dictatorships like Syria, Iran and Iraq. There were always opposition candidates offered up by these dictatorships. Give the people the illusion of choice. Throw up the pretense of debate. Let the power elite hold public celebrations to exalt the triumph of popular will. We can vote for Romney or Obama, but Goldman Sachs and ExxonMobil and Bank of America and the defense contractors always win. There is little difference between our electoral charade and the ones endured by the Syrians and Iranians. Do we really believe that Obama has, or ever had, any intention to change the culture in Washington?
In this year’s presidential election I will vote for a third-party candidate, either the Green Party candidate or Rocky Anderson, assuming one of them makes it onto the ballot in New Jersey, but voting is nothing more than a brief chance to register our disgust with the corporate state. It will not alter the configurations of power. The campaign is not worth our emotional, physical or intellectual energy.
Our efforts must be directed toward acts of civil disobedience, to chipping away, through nonviolent protest, at the pillars of established, corporate power. The corporate state is so unfair, so corrupt and so rotten that the institutions tasked with holding it up—the police, the press, the banking system, the civil service and the judiciary—have become vulnerable. It is becoming harder and harder for the corporations to convince its foot soldiers to hold the system in place."
http://www.truthdig.com/report/item/thank_you_for_standing_up_20120123/
Thom, please note that Gary and parts of northwestern Indiana can hear your show on tape delay at 2PM Central on WCPT-AM 820 and the Chicago's Progressive Talk FM affiliate WCPQ-FM 99.9. But you are correct that no prog talk stations exist in the state of Indiana.
Eat the rich before they eat you.
Thom, this is an all out assault on the working people. It is spreading like a cancer from Wisconsin to Indiana to god knows where next. BTW, loved the Reagan tape on support of labor. Where can I get a copy to show to repubs?
I thought the speeck was excellent overall and loved the reference to the Seals and their teamwork. I liked his speech at the Apollo Theater better.
If you can't tell good guys from bad guys, I can't help you, my friend. If you can't trust Obama and give him time to actually do something, you probably deserve a GOP regime. But then don't complain -- I won't listen......
Do you also sing "All Or Nothing at All?"
You're nothing but negative and political suicidal. Tank some positive thoughts -- listen to people who are optimistic! Thom Hartmann for example....
_____________________
You can't get a president that isn't rich -- not before we've changed the system. But if you people give up Obama and have no patience and responsibility: how should it ever happen? America is esceptionally depressed.
Man, pull yourself together and cut out whining!
No, Germany is freer. On the whole worker rights are better protected. People are even hard to put out by landlords! Well, gun rights are pretty tough there but that's alright with me. Teachers with headscarfs? Why wear headscarfs? Don't like that either. Non-Christians not allowed to build private schools? Not true -- don't tell meJews are not allowed that! Anyway, Germany is pretty atheistic. Don't forget our southern Baptists: they teach downright middle-age and those people are awfully behind and unfree.
Anyway, I fight right-wingers here. If you're a social democrat: why must I waste my power, nerves and time on this? It only helps the GOP....
You cannot take a break,win a battle 12 more appear,go to bed with it get up with new problems.The idea that the labels keep the boundries meaning if your middle class that is where you are,if your poor that is where you will stay..the terms in which we speak is limiting our progress..